Announcement

Announcement Module
Collapse
No announcement yet.

Learning to make Bogu and Shinai

Page Title Module
Move Remove Collapse
X
Conversation Detail Module
Collapse
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Learning to make Bogu and Shinai

    I would like to learn how to make bogu and shinai.

    Does anyone know what books are available, what skills are involved, and where I can learn?

  • #2
    There are some short clips of bogu making here. From these videos you can see that the skills required are quite diverse, and so different makers specialise in different parts. For instance one company will make just mengane, another just dodai, etc. Most Japanese bogu manufacturers outsource the gruntwork, such as hand-stitching the various futon, to China. They then assemble the different parts.

    Otherwise you have the following options:

    1) teach yourself through reverse engineering, IOW pull apart a bogu and see how it's done,
    2) go to Japan and apprentice yourself. I imagine this will take a minimum time, probably 10 years.

    Shinai are a bit trickier because the bamboo has to be grown, harvested and cured under fairly specific conditions. The actual making is probably the easy part. Also, the main bamboo variety, madake 真竹 (phyllostachys bambusoides) is a running variety, which means it sends out rhizomes that can become very invasive.

    b
    Last edited by ben; 26th June 2008, 08:11 AM.

    Comment


    • #3
      There are also videos on making a shinai. I'll keep buying mine, thanks.

      part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Onvr1kqrkkE
      part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3E0hWlW66M

      Comment


      • #4
        I think this has come up multiple times before and the answers are always the same.

        It's not a trivial process. It's a craft on the same level as being a jewler or a cabinetmaker.

        If you want to learn how first learn Japanese then come over here and see if anyone will teach you. I know others have learned how to make shinken so there are those that will teach you.

        Comment


        • #5
          I do not have the possibility of moving to Japan for 10 years and although I would love to be able to speak japanese, I do not have the time to study it either.

          If anyone would like to start a forum for learning how to make Bogu and Shinai to pool information resources let me know.

          If anyone knows how to do these things and would like an apprentice and lives in or near Philadelphia, please let me know.

          Sincerely,

          Selegiline.

          Comment


          • #6
            How about learning to repair that stuff before you consider building it yourself (which is a pretty useless endeavour over here - you don't have the machines, pre-manufactured parts like Mengane and the Fabric -indigo dyed of course- will be a pain to get, you don't want anyone to get hurt because your bogu falls apart .. etc. etc.).

            Comment


            • #7
              Good advice. Learning how to repair holes in kote palms, and even replacing whole palms will give you a good insight into how they are put together, and what materials work best. There are quite a few threads here already with lots of tips on bogu repair.

              People aren't trying to be discouraging. If you really want to learn about how to make bogu, then living in Japan is the only way. If you want to do it as your profession there's no other option. If you want it as a hobby, then teach yourself. Either way, it's going to take years. If you're serious to any degree, then that won't matter. But if you want a short cut, I don't know where you'll find it. Perhaps the same place you'll find the short cut to kendo mastery.

              b

              Comment


              • #8
                Originally posted by selegilineHCL View Post
                I do not have the possibility of moving to Japan for 10 years and although I would love to be able to speak japanese, I do not have the time to study it either.

                If anyone would like to start a forum for learning how to make Bogu and Shinai to pool information resources let me know.

                If anyone knows how to do these things and would like an apprentice and lives in or near Philadelphia, please let me know.

                Sincerely,

                Selegiline.
                Fear not! I can teach you how to make Bogu as well as Shinai.
                I've been doing it for a few years now, and I can say quite distinctly that I am a master at it. I didn't really need a Sensei or any teacher, as usually this is how it goes with things of this caliber. In fact, I'm probably one of about six masters of this art in the world alive today.



                The medium I work in is Chocolate Chip Cookie Dough.


                I working up to sprinkles, though conceptually, it's still not accepted in most *legitimate* Bogu confectionery circles. Damn purists.






                ...and they are delicious.


                Comment


                • #9
                  I say good luck!
                  I'd be interested in seeing what you find out! A friend of mine who is a professional embroiderer and works with many different materials has recently taken up my offer to come to the dojo with me and begin her training. She was checking out my bogu and is highly interested in learning more about it too! Whether it's feasible to actually do or not we both would like to learn more about bogu construction.

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by selegilineHCL View Post
                    I do not have the possibility of moving to Japan for 10 years and although I would love to be able to speak japanese, I do not have the time to study it either.
                    If you don't have time to learn Japanese how do you expect to make time for bogu manufacturing?

                    I agree with Rekru. Learn to maintain and possibly repair what you've already got. Start with maintaining your shinai then after you can do that comfortably learn how to make 'new' shinai out of old slats from other shinai.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Better know how to put thread into the needle hole and simple stitching first, then move on to craft embroidery. It's all down to the basics after all.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        If you've actually watched those videos and seen them handstitching the men-buton, even at 2.0 bu you really have to be some kind of sadist to want to do it for fun. I'm sure there is great satisfaction from creating something like bogu, as with any creative enterprise you have mastered but when you're so far removed from that skill level it'll ultimately lead to frustration.

                        I've repaired one kote palm, I did so using a bit of scrap leather and UHU glue, evn so it was traumatic. I have another one that will require removing the palm and stitching inside it, the very thought of that fills me with trepidation. However you may be made of stronger stuff so continue on your path if it is your dream. Personally though I appreciate that we can't all be masters of every skill we covet and sometimes it is more fulfilling to appreciate the mastery of those that do have the skills.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Originally posted by mingshi View Post
                          It's all down to the basics after all.
                          Rule number one!

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            pfffft that doesn't look so hard... it only took that dude 14 minutes to make it

                            Originally posted by nebosuke View Post
                            There are also videos on making a shinai. I'll keep buying mine, thanks.

                            part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Onvr1kqrkkE
                            part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3E0hWlW66M

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              I think what Mingshi and Reku said comes really close.

                              When you look at your bogu you see how much hand stitching and embroidery it had. Even though there are machines which can make these kind of stitches.

                              My mom had a machine which could make really cool embroidery. So if you would get a heavy version of that it sure would be possible to use for bogu.

                              Learning to repair bogu for sure will be the first step.

                              My granddad was a shipbuilder and I had asked him if he would teach me. He told me to take one of his rowing boats out of the water. It needed maintenance. So I ended up working on it the whole summer. At the end of the summer the rowingboat was repainted and had new woodwork.
                              My granddad taught me alot. Next summer he started with the build of a new ship and he let me help some.

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X